tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post115790966685382018..comments2023-10-19T07:54:32.841-04:00Comments on Quod She: In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus SanctiDr. Viragohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03960384082670286328noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post-57731438326490698052013-01-06T02:29:21.995-05:002013-01-06T02:29:21.995-05:00.:.
in Nomine Matri
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.:.....:.<br /><br />in Nomine Matri<br />et Filia<br />et Anima Sancti<br /><br />.:.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post-75889192652425334692007-04-02T23:49:00.000-04:002007-04-02T23:49:00.000-04:00Dear Dr. Virago,Thank you for your excellent descr...Dear Dr. Virago,<BR/>Thank you for your excellent description of the Latin Mass and its beauty. To follow up on your interest in how laypeople participated in the liturgy during the late middle ages I recommend the book "The Stripping of the Altars" by Cambridge historian Eamon Duffy. Duffy there describes a participation very much in the nature of what you observed the liturgy as a whole conducing to: by the use of space, gesture, and the deliberate movement, as well as accompanying prayers, the laity participated in such a way as to extend the liturgical 'fabric' throughout the church building.<BR/>One other minor point: Although being a woman you may find this difficult to believe, men (especially young men) are rather distracted by hair, even if only briefly. A woman's hair is perceived by a man both for its beauty and its sensuality. Hence the veils not only during worship but (in the middle ages) in general public space. The letting down of a woman's hair, as you might observe in older poetry and in modern movies, is rather sensual. There is a hint of that sensuality even in the sight of hair that is down.<BR/>Samuel MichaelsonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post-1171249485192101022007-02-11T22:04:00.000-05:002007-02-11T22:04:00.000-05:00I had not been to mass in a long time when my moth...I had not been to mass in a long time when my mother died in 1971. Her funeral mass was not the mass I grew up with.<BR/>At one point the priest told us to all take hands and there we were crossing our arms in front of ourselves and catching the hand of the people at our sides. The priest had a way of rolling his eyes up holding his fingers as if he were making quotes and looking like St. Terese in estacy. But it turned out later that he was into a group that went into tongues. My high school friend took me to that gathering after my mothers' funeral and there he was in the center of a group of folks going into glosslalia. I was a bit bent flying back to California from Michigan, When a group of men dressed in brightly striped shirts came aboard the plan in Chicago I thought I had really lost it, but it turned out to be guys from a paint convention. I was glad to get back to good old LA where life was normal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post-1158519781772218882006-09-17T15:03:00.000-04:002006-09-17T15:03:00.000-04:00Te-hee!Te-hee!Dr. Viragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960384082670286328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post-1158519660555641912006-09-17T15:01:00.000-04:002006-09-17T15:01:00.000-04:00Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post-1158432970192177832006-09-16T14:56:00.000-04:002006-09-16T14:56:00.000-04:00You're so funny Fizzy. But didn't you have to lea...You're so funny Fizzy. But didn't you have to learn the Latin mass when you were a kid and an altar server?Dr. Viragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960384082670286328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post-1158431367955445162006-09-16T14:29:00.000-04:002006-09-16T14:29:00.000-04:00Can I have the Sparksnotes for this post?Can I have the Sparksnotes for this post?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post-1158336290085186762006-09-15T12:04:00.000-04:002006-09-15T12:04:00.000-04:00Maybe no more or less disengaged than your father?...<I>Maybe no more or less disengaged than your father?</I><BR/><BR/>Exactly, ADM!Dr. Viragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960384082670286328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post-1158273055149192082006-09-14T18:30:00.000-04:002006-09-14T18:30:00.000-04:00Cranky Professor and I (and some other friends) us...Cranky Professor and I (and some other friends) used to go pretty regularly to Latin Mass in the Romanesque-y church in Grad U City. The only thing I didn't like was that it was not so much of a 'congregation sings with the choir' mass. But yeah, it's neat. I do sometimes wonder, though about how passive medieval people were, just because it was in Latin. Maybe no more or less disengaged than your father?Another Damned Medievalisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05231085915472400163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post-1157979859458614542006-09-11T09:04:00.000-04:002006-09-11T09:04:00.000-04:00Gillian, clearly your Latin is better than mine, o...Gillian, clearly your Latin is better than mine, or you're a better listener in general. Or else you weren't distracting yourself by trying to pay attention to multiple things at once, as I was when I tried to follow in the Missal. I found, as you say, it was pretty easy to follow once I put the damn missal down.<BR/><BR/>And I can completely understand your discomfort, too (kudos to you for going anyway). Clearly I wasn't thinking of Jews and other non-Christian medievalists when I was urging everyone to go to one. Obviously, I was writing from inside the point of view of a former Catholic, which is how I experienced it, but maybe I should have thought a little more before enthusiastically endorsing it for all scholars. Even intellectual curiosity can't assuage genuine and understandable discomfort. Mea culpa.<BR/><BR/>And Flavia -- you are one of the people I had in mind when I was writing this post, since you actually are still a practicing Catholic. Yes, go if you can!Dr. Viragohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03960384082670286328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post-1157960975674649762006-09-11T03:49:00.000-04:002006-09-11T03:49:00.000-04:00I went to one in London when I was doing my doctor...I went to one in London when I was doing my doctoral research there. My biggest fear was being thrown out on my ear, because I am Jewish :). I watched the queue for Communion from a healthy distance and felt a bit like a cheat among the rst. It was straightforward and hard to get lost in the service (maybe that was my training showing - we use verbal cues in a 3 hour Orthodox Hebrew service?). I found Latin easier to follow than Hebrew (partly because the service was so short) and the space stuff made *so* much sense of a number of things. It helped that I wasn't trying to actually say any of the Mass (it was bad enough to actually *enter* a church according to the way I was brought up, to give the responses as well would have been majorly wrong) but I found the cues for the congregation very strong and yes, it would be very easy to turn into a passive participant. The thing that got under my skin was the feeling that this was the service my ancestors had listened to compulsorily during those various conversion attempts - and the minute you put *that* gloss on it, some of the service becomes more threatening.<BR/><BR/>I'd agree with you, though, that all Western Medievalists ought to attend at least one Latin mass in a lifetime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15231380.post-1157937077546470262006-09-10T21:11:00.000-04:002006-09-10T21:11:00.000-04:00What an awesome experience--I'm totally going to l...What an awesome experience--I'm totally going to look into attending a Latin mass around these parts sometime soon. Thanks for writing about it!Flaviahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17832765671541392835noreply@blogger.com